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DeadEye
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| Posted:2/17/2006 5:39:52 PM |
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I have started a new thread because this subject has NOT been answered properly.
I was impressed with the description, theory and pictures of these hybrid bulkheads. I was even more impressed at the quality of the product when it finally came to me in England.
The fact is, the standard servo saver will NEVER fit once these are installed. I have, after reading another post, spent the last four hours hacking away at various parts of the standard servo saver to try and make it fit. IT WILL NEVER FIT
I also fail to see how only changing the steering plate will work unless it in a completely different shape and bent beyond recognition.
1) What make/model of servo saver is in your savage that you have tested successfuly?
2) What happens with users like myself in England, can I get an alloy steering plate sent over (without a long wait)?
3) Why on earth did you not install one of your bulkheads in a standard savage. you say that you knew that it would be close - ITS NOWHERE NEAR close!
The tone of this post is the result of having spent the last three evenings building the diffs, puting the hybrids together, putting the suspension on ready for a big event this weekend only to find that I am going to have to take the whole lot apart and rebuild with stock bulkheads.
There are 25-40 people waiting to see how I get on with my bulkheads who are going to be disappointed to find out that they simply don't fit.
Are you prepared to replace one of mine for a new one that DOES fit the standard servo saver?
Yours, a very Peeved customer.
P.S. I have some adjustable shock towers on order, dare I assume that these fit your bulkheads?
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admin
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| Posted:2/20/2006 11:20:57 AM |
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I apologize for the time you had spent with your steering plate triing to make these fit.
The reason there is an issue with these is because the prototypes were slightly different at the pinion nose. Upon the initial design this area was a concern. We built the prototypes to allow clearance for the steering.
But upon the production units we modified this point for a better looking design. When the change was made we did not machine the pinion nose deep enough like the prototype to allow sufficient clearence. Then we failed to confirm the fit on the truck. This is why the first pieces have a clearence issue.
Which is not too big of a deal so it seemed, because the stock bar will fit with a little modification (we have one of the first Savages).
You should not have to modify anything unless stated.
We sent these out unaware of the problem. Which is why we are offering the steering plate that will allow the clearence needed.
The problem has been corrected so there is no concern on the current Hybrids.
You can send one back for the updated unit or we will send you the steering plate. Let us know.
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DeadEye
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| Posted:2/21/2006 2:27:08 PM |
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First of all thank you for your reply.
Also thank you to those who have e-mailed me privately about this.
In your reply you did not state which alloy servo saver you had in your savage... I have tested it with the standard one and as of tonight an alloy one. There is still no way either of them are going to fit without some serious ... "modification"...
Additionaly, even a standard servo saver with an alloy steering plate will not work (certainly with my savage), I have tried with GPM skid plate and the standard one.
I wonder in this instance whether the right thing for FLM to do would be to send me your modified version of the bulkhead for free:
a) to test it for you
b) to save time in me sending mine back to the US and waiting for you send one back.
c) my findings would then be forwarded to everyone who has expressed an interest in this situation.
To follow on from my last post, your adjustable suspension towers DO fit your bulkheads fine and are very well made. One comment would be that the spacers are slightly too big - this causes a slight difference between the distance of the top and bottom of the shocks.
I look forward to your response, feel free to e-mail me directly.
Thanks
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DeadEye
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| Posted:2/21/2006 2:28:24 PM |
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P.S. to my above post...
You say that there is no issue with the current hybrids, I only bought mine 10 days ago.
Thanks
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admin
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| Posted:2/22/2006 10:07:56 AM |
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The brace that I was referring to was the stock one found on the 1st generation Savages. But we designed one for this Hybrid (in which we are sending to all those that need it). It is available for all Savages. I will post some pics ASAP.
The difference between the 1st and the 2nd Hybrids is: at the pinion nose and the points were the diffs come together.
You can see at the pinion nose there is a step down about from the center of the pinion up towards the shock tower(the 1st ones have the same depth).
Also the points were the diffs come together were machined to remove any sharp points that were found in the 1st version.
The 3rd generation will be lighter, because we will be removing any excess material from around the bulk.
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DeadEye
Posts:9
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| Posted:2/22/2006 3:48:49 PM |
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Hi
I still dont know what servo saver I can use with your hybrid bulkheads. You still havent answered that question.
In my Savage, the arms of the standard servo saver hit the bulkhead above the pinion shrowd where the grub screw is that joins the two parts together. This means that it is irelevant what shape or size the steering plate is.
I still have a savage that I cant use.
Some action needs to happen, what are you going to do about it? It sounds to me like you need to send me one of the new ones.
Please can we agree some action as we are getting no where. Your part does NOT fit my savage, a new steering plate will do nothing...
Action action action please!!!!!!!!!!
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admin
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| Posted:2/22/2006 4:15:16 PM |
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We machined a steering bracket that gives clearence over the pinion and the "grub" screw. If your servo saver arms are hitting then I must have mine on backwards because there was no interference with the arms but the brace that connects the two.
Were are ready to do some action. If you have a picture that would show me were it is hitting the servo saver arms that would be great. Because from what I see on my Savage it is not the arms but the brace.
I apologize for the inconvience, but I would like to get this figured out as I am sure you also do.
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DeadEye
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| Posted:2/23/2006 3:13:18 PM |
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Ok, this is beginning to make sense now.
You had to produce your own plate to work with your bulkess`s.
In that case, could you let me know how I inform you of my address so that you can send me one. (ie which e-mail address)
Its a shame that one couldn`t of simply been shipped with the bulkheads, this would have save a lot of hassle.
I am in the UK and I think I got them from RCMonster.com...
Unfortunately, because I have now destroyed my servo saver trying to make it work, I have no pictures :-(
I assume your steering plate has either a hump that clears the grub screw, or is simply shaped to miss it.
I am away on business now, but I was going to shape my own plate out of some 3mm carbon fibre I have - unfortunately, I don`t now have a working servo saver ;-P
I reallz want them to fit as I think they are fantastically made and look amazing.
Also please excuse my spelling as I am using a Swiss kezboard.
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rc-miller
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| Posted:2/23/2006 5:48:57 PM |
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I to am have the same problem with my steering. it hits the bulkhead and does not turn at all,how do I go about get the steering brace and also I installed my ext.lcg tvp's. and the driveshaft hits your modified braces did you change the design on this part
also when will your nw parts be ready for sale. Plaes let me know what we can do
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DeadEye
Posts:9
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| Posted:2/28/2006 5:16:53 AM |
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Hello???
FLM, why are you not responding? 
Can you post new pictures of your revised hybrid bulkheads so that we are able to see how you have altered the design?
Can you also post pictures of the steering plate?
This is terrible customer service....
Having compared the hybrids with the original diff/bulkhead, I still do not believe that any servo saver will fit.
See http://www.supportservices.it/images/phil/dsc00021.jpg for a picture of my truck (with FLM Bulkless and Shock towers installed) and
see http://www.supportservices.it/images/phil/dsc00028.jpg for a picture of an attempt to get HotRacings servo saver to fit.
and http://www.supportservices.it/images/phil/dsc00029.jpg for a picture of HotRacing servo saver installed with orginal bulkhead.
P.S. the steering plate snapped after about one minute after all the mods required to make the stock saver work with your bulkheads.
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admin
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| Posted:3/2/2006 6:06:52 AM |
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We are offering the steering brace that is better than stock and fixes the problem. Send us your address via e-mail and we will remedy the situation, as I said in previous responses.
I am deleting the previous response due to your inappropriate language.
Please refrain from that type of language. Thank you.
As for your computer software... well lets not go there.
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admin
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| Posted:3/2/2006 6:07:51 AM |
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| Also there is a pic under the Savage section of the brace.
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DeadEye
Posts:9
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| Posted:3/3/2006 6:24:15 PM |
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Posted By admin on 3/2/2006 6:06:52 AM
We are offering the steering brace that is better than stock and fixes the problem. Send us your address via e-mail and we will remedy the situation, as I said in previous responses.
I am deleting the previous response due to your inappropriate language.
Please refrain from that type of language. Thank you.
As for your computer software... well lets not go there.
lets not go where?
I was stating fact...
At least my software has a remote chance of working... unlike your cubes of alloy tat...
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savagefan
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| Posted:3/10/2006 4:40:51 PM |
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Savagefan from The Netherlands here....
Nice meeting ya´ll 
I've just installed the new ext. TVP's, adjustable shocktowers, servoplate and the new bulks, all from FLM. Everything works perfect on my brand new savage limited edition. No problem at all with the steerring or what so ever. The only trouble i had was indeed the driveshaft that didn't fit into the stock dual brake disks. I sliced a bit of the axle  Seems to work fine now too.
With the 7.5cc Force engine mounted, this truck ís realy Madness.
Must admit, i think i got lucky with this engine.....mostly they don´t survive 2 tanks of fuel before they blow up. ) My first one did '
Overall, i think FLM delivers pretty nice stuff.
My next order at http://www.rchopups.co.uk/ will be the complete upper and lower arms set.
Maybe someone has them already and can tell me how they work
Till next time
Dennis
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screaming_chankla
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| Posted:3/11/2006 6:04:01 PM |
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Posted By savagefan on 3/10/2006 4:40:51 PM
The only trouble i had was indeed the driveshaft that didn't fit into the stock dual brake disks. I sliced a bit of the axleSeems to work fine now too.
I notched the brake discs. I didn't want to chance grinding the set pins in the driveshaft to much and have them not grap the drivecups.
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savagefan
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| Posted:3/12/2006 4:31:50 AM |
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Also possible. But i think that everything that sticks out off the drivecup won't be of any use anyway.
The axle will be in horizontal position at anytime, unlike the steering axles up front. They infact need to be a little longer.
S.Y.L. all
Dennis
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screaming_chankla
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| Posted:3/12/2006 12:15:22 PM |
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| Up to you. Whatever you feel is best for your truck. Like I said I didn't want to take the chance of grinding to much down and not having the set pin grab the outdrive. Notching the discs was much easier for me.
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ALUCARD
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| Posted:3/22/2006 8:40:42 PM |
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| Thanks Jamie, New steering bracket works fine. It is thinner than the GPM one, so it clears when moved back and forth.
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